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| Saberoph | Jul 31 2015, 07:53 AM Post #31 |
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@Anthonest: Here's the thing...SS power is Base power and Kakarrot was shown to increase his Base power after the Three years of Training. If his Base never increased after Frieza, then tell me why he was stronger than Trunks when they met and why while not being at full power when powering up in front of Korin, if he's powering up to his SS max which is x50 Base, but if he's not at full power then his Base must have increased...since he wasn't 100% of his power there, then later his powers up to his full power, which means he wasn't x50 his Base during the Ten day wait for the Cell Games...unless you're saying his Base dropped back down to his Frieza levels before Boo for no reason. So in short...it makes no sense for his Base to still be on his Frieza level after all the increases that's been stated. Edited by Saberoph, Jul 31 2015, 08:01 AM.
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| FutureProtagonist | Jul 31 2015, 08:02 AM Post #32 |
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The only evidence that's been presented in this thread came from V-Jump. All you have to do is write it off as gibberish (which it is) and then everything's fine. Kilis have no known correlation to battle power. They were only invented as a means for Babidi to figure out that he's in over his head. If Toriyama had any battle power numbers in mind for anyone past the Freeza arc, we'd have heard them by now. The problem with this is that if Goku in the Boo Arc is 150 million, and Goku in the Freeza Arc is 150 million, how? How? He didn't get any stronger in any way. If the multiplier increased, he'd still be above 150 million. How does he go from being weaker than Android #18 to surpassing Vegeta, who is at least around 2nd form Cell's level without increasing his battle power in any way? |
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| + Kyouks | Jul 31 2015, 08:03 AM Post #33 |
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Base form getting weaker is a possible explanation? Wat. In any case, it's pretty much outright stated that Goku gained power over the three years seeing as how he's willing to try his hand at fighting androids that would've otherwise killed him had he not trained and thereby increased his power level for this whole shebang. Would be kinda stupid of him to go fight if he's still barely stronger than Freeza. |
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| + Pyrus | Jul 31 2015, 08:06 AM Post #34 |
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It wouldn't make any sense if Goku didn't increase his power from Namek. Trunks squashed Freeza, the tyrant being at full power or not being irrelevant to the outcome, and Goku was a step or two ahead of him. Then Goku as a dying old man was stated to be much stronger than he was when Trunks sodomized Freeza. There's no way around that. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jul 31 2015, 08:15 AM Post #35 |
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If 1 Kili = 50,000 BP and Base Goku was around 800 (iirc), his base power would be around 40,000,000, which is over 13x what it was on Namek. |
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Jul 31 2015, 11:12 AM Post #36 |
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Kilis are nothing but an exaggeration. It just means "helluva lot of battle power." Don't take Kilis so seriously. |
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| + ThePrinceOfSaiyans | Jul 31 2015, 12:14 PM Post #37 |
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Imma put an end to this now:
Anything V-Jump has published regarding battle powers has never been approved by Toriyama. Beyond that, to suggest Goku's Super Saiyan battle power hasn't increase at all, is to ignore everything from the Trunks arc to the Majin Boo arc. |
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| Zippy_Skillz | Jul 31 2015, 01:19 PM Post #38 |
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Theres so much evidence of Goku improving in each time period. Yet you're dropping all of that because of that one kili line? |
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| + Pointer | Jul 31 2015, 01:29 PM Post #39 |
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Please throw out the power levels out of the window SSJ Vegito>Buuhan>Buutenks>Gohan(post unlock)>Gotenks ssj3>Super Buu>SSJ gotenks (post training)>base gotenks(post training)>ssj gotenks (pre training)>kid buu>~ Goku ssj3> Majin Buu>> Grey Buu> Good Buu>Majin ssj2 Vegeta~ ssj2 goku>ssj2 kid gohan(cell games)>ssj goku (buu saga)~ ssj Vegeta(post majin)>kid gohan ssj(cell saga )>Teen gohan ssj ~ ssj goku (cell saga)>Trunks ssj(buu saga)>ssj vegeta (post second trip)> goten ssj > trunks ssj (post second trip)>Assj vegeta > assj trunks> semi perfect cell> android 16>~ imperfect cell>>piccolo(post kami)>SSJ VEGETA( ANDROID ARC)> HEALTHY SSJ GOKU (ANDROID ARC)>piccolo(pre kami android arc)> android 20 (absorbed)> android 20 > android 19 (absorbed)>android 19 (initial)~SSJ GOKU (ANDROID ARC SICK)~ SSJ GOKU POST YARDRAT> SSJ GOKU NAMEK = 150 000 000 Son I see a DAMN HUGE gap between buu saga ssj goku and ssj goku namek. |
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| Slifer | Jul 31 2015, 04:28 PM Post #40 |
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I didn't say you did. What you did say is Goku not getting stronger. If Boo-arc Goku = Namek Goku, then Namek Goku can one-shot Semi-Perfect Cell, meaning Freeza can too. This is absurd. |
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| Dagon | Aug 3 2015, 06:19 AM Post #41 |
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This is not a matter of a difference of opinion, this is a matter of the OP being utterly and completely wrong. What Anthonest is saying is equivalent to believing bears, lions, and elephants can shoot beams of happiness out of their abdomens because the evidence is Care Bears. |
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| Canis Latrans | Aug 3 2015, 06:53 AM Post #42 |
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OP provide a scan I have no idea where you got this from |
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| SSJsongojames | Aug 6 2015, 11:13 AM Post #43 |
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